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(@candlewick)
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Sticking to the factual.

I remember looking at a major trust deed website closely about a year ago too.

I clicked on their 'trust deed wizard' button, so that I could see what answers I got.

It turned out that I couldn't actually access the 'trust deed wizard' until I had given out personal details.

I thought that might have changed nowadays. After all, why should you have to submit personal details in order to browse through your options?

But, when I clicked on the same 'trust deed wizard' button yesterday, I found that the same thing happened. Straight to the personal details form. I declined the opportunity to fill it in.

Back in the past, I filled in the personal details using an email address which I only used for online competitions (given the amount of spam you can get!).

I was forced to enter a telephone contact number, if I wished to proceed but I may have entered it wrongly.

At no point did I indicate that I wanted to be contacted. I don't believe that being forced to enter 'contact details', in order to access a 'wizard', really constitutes agreement along the lines of "Please phone me".

I do think that the website should make it clear to users that they cannot use the 'wizard' unless they provide personal details. Before they click on it.

After filling in my personal contact details - - so that I could access the 'trust deed wizard'I was bombarded by emails asking me to phone them, because they couldn't contact me by phone.

That's because I didn't want them to phone me.

I knew their phone number - it's/they're all over the website. I had every opportunity to phone them, had I wanted to do so.

I did not.

If you use an online 'wizard', it does not mean that you want to get phone calls while you're making the dinner. Or at all.

Once I was able to access the 'wizard' - having given out personal details - I found that most of the options I was given were 'trust deed'. Even though I put in a number of different circumstances.

On the occasions where the 'wizard' told me that DAS was a better option, I would click on the DAS button...

and I found myself reading about trust deeds.

I haven't tested the site to see if that is still the same a year or so later. I hope things are different now.

One thing which is still the same, now that I have revisited the site, is the fact that adverts for 'internet company name' pop up all over the internet sites that I have browsed in the past couple of days.

Maybe it's cookies, maybe it's something else, which allows this unwanted advertising to happen. I'm well aware that there are various measures I can take to stop these adverts appearing.

However, someone who has clicked on that site and used the 'wizard' because they need help and advice, will not be able to get away from unsolicited adverts for the site (unless they are IT savvy.) This could affect people on a subliminal level.

I have also noticed a number of clear, and basic, errors on that website.

My personal experiences can be tested by anyone else who has internet access, and who dares to put their personal contact details into the 'wizard'.

As I have said, or suggested before, none of this inspires confidence in the organsation behind the wbesite and the wizard.


   
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Mark McFadyen
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Hi candlewick

Unfortunately most sites appear to follow the same path. I suspect anything which is called 'Trust Deed Wizard' is going to lead you into that particular path.

A forum is a good tool to let you just ask questions and hopefully get the thoughts and ideas of people who have been there or are involved on a day to day basis. Now that is magic. Sorry I'll get my coat!

Mark

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Kevin Mapstone
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I think it is unfortunately just the world we live in, candlewick.

Hopefully as time goes by, people will become more and more savvy about this kind of thing and will be able to find the information they need without the by-product of dozens of unwanted emails and telephone calls

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TDA (Debt Adviser)
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Here's the site's view on these types of online tools. The article was added to the site last October:

(Link removed 2020).

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(@colski)
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The full process for offering you something for free but getting you to enter in your details is so these companies can collect your details and capitalise on your situation. It happens in every market space and vertical. I work in the IT sector and we offer free white papers to people to learn more about the section we work within. We capture their details and then follow up. A free sales warming queue effectively is how it is viewed.

On a plus side there are loads of work rounds which takes just a few minutes of your time to do...

If I was going to access a free system which needs personal details I would do the following

NAME: Put the companies CEO name in here which normally is on either their about us section of their site on the companies Wiki page.
NUMBER: Put their company number in
EMAIL: Put there contact us email in Or fall the first part putting in the CEO's first.last name followed by the @company address part.
ADDRESS: Put their address in

This will pay havoc with their internal team and will also stop external companies that buy this information from pestering you.

As for popup's on the sites you're going to. Chances are this is just banner adds your seeing as this is a market hot topic right now Although there is also the possibility it's a tracking cookie you have inadvertently downloaded. You can del#8203;ete these easily enough using the tools section of the browser you are using or down load FREE software which will also let you do this. That said however the free software providers may ask you for your details first in order to down load it. And you know what to do if it does!

Colski

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Kevin Mapstone
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Liking your thinking, Colski. As Blackadder would say, your plan is as cunning as a fox who's just been appointed Professor of Cunning at Oxford University

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Mark McFadyen
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..or Foxford University. Sorry, it's Friday.

Mark

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Originally posted by Kevin Mapstone

Liking your thinking, Colski. As Blackadder would say, your plan is as cunning as a fox who's just been appointed Professor of Cunning at Oxford University


Or...

Being as cunning as a fox what used to be Professor of Cunning at Oxford University but has moved on and is now working for the U.N. at the High Commission of International Cunning Planning... [:D]

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TDA (Debt Adviser)
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Is it just me who is busy this afternoon?!

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