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(@efing)
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Hi all, looking for some advice....

I completed my 3 years PTD at the end of Jan 13, however I have £15K equity lying in my house as an asset which was agreed at the time of signing, however since I signed up the remortgage option is no longer available.
However, as I cannot raise the £15K myself, I agreed with my Trustee that I would extend for a further 2 years and continue with my monthly payments which as a result will gradually reduce the equity over the 2 year extension leaving a balance of about £8K to be repaid (somehow). I understand all of this, however there are a few grey areas in relation to the 2 year extension period, as follows:-

1. PPI - I contacted previous credit companies to recover ppi which i had on 2 cards between 2000 - 2005 (I cancelled ppi during 2006). I have rec'd word from 1 company that I am due £1.5K, however due to my financial postion they will be contacting my Trustee to advise them about this. I then emailed my trustee to confirm that I had rec'd word from 1 company and awaiting the response from a 2nd company - well they went off on one.....saying I SHOULD NOT have done this as it was up to them to do this, and that any money recovered WILL NOT go towards reducing the equity it will go into the 'pot' and give a bigger dividend to the creditors.....surely this is not right?? - my understanding was that any money coming to me after the 3 year period would go towards the equity...

2. As I am now in the extension period...
a. Do I still need to fill in an income and expenditure sht
every quarter?
b. I am due to get a substantial pay increase in the coming months - Do i need to declare this? My plan
is to pay more in each month, but don't want dictated to by
Trustee as to what that amount will be

All comments and advice is most welcome...Thanks

Elaine Fingland


   
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TDA (Debt Adviser)
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Hi EFING.

I'm sorry to say that it is right.

Those lump sums have to be paid over in addition to any equity liability. The key date is your discharge, not three years.

As you remain in the trust deed your trustee can ask you for income and expenditure details. This is because they'll want to collect the equity money for creditors as quickly as you can reasonably pay it.

Sorry it's not better news.

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(@efing)
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Thanks TDA. I am totally goosed then!!

I just can't wait to be out of this vicious Trust Deed circle. Based on my own experience and volume of messages posted on this site there seems to be a huge amount of "mis-selling" of Trust Deeds, companies giving out different versions/rules about what is or is not acceptable...Should this type of debt management (for want of a better word)not come with a simplified governance system, allowing people to fully understand all implications prior to signing??? Who manages/regulates Trust Deed Companies?

Elaine Fingland


   
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TDA (Debt Adviser)
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Hi EFING.

We think people should know as much as possible about trust deeds before they sign. Hopefully this site plays some small part in helping this to happen. More importantly trustees need to make sure people are told what they need to know, and anyone thinking about signing a trust deed needs to take time out to make sure they understand what they are entering.

I don't think there is wholesale mid-selling going on, though clearly it does sometimes happen.

Trustees are supervised by their professional bodies and the AIB when they handle protected trust deeds.

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Chris Wardle
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Hi EFING,

We did a Freedom of Information Request recently based on the number of Protected Trust Deeds in 2012 and the number was over 8,000. Often people tend to post negative feedback about a Trust Deed and don't come looking for advice if their Trust Deed is running the way it was agreed. The vast majority of Trust Deeds do run smoothly and without any problems but I also note from the forum that there are cases that don't.

I do understand your current situation and the change in the financial market from the time you entered into your Trust Deed till now. This has caused problems for people who have equity in their property and are unable to re-mortgage as they once were.

The more you can pay in each month then the more you will reduce the equity amount that you have to pay. That coupled with any PPI refund could mean that at the end of your term, your Trustee could close you Trust Deed if the balance remaining is minimal.

Best to speak with your Trustee to see what scenarios there are available instead of leaving it till your approaching the end of the 5 years.

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(@efing)
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Thanks for your response Chris. I have just rec'd confirmation that the ppi will be repaid directly into trustee's bank account 🙁

When I get to the end of my extension period, IF there is a balance still owing - how likely is it that the 'extra funds' the trustee has recouped via my ppi claims will be taken into condsideration in order to reach agreement to close the balance off?

Elaine Fingland


   
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(@plasticdaft)
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A certain iva firm down south is sourcing secured loans for clients so equity can be released. Pity the apr is 18.9%!!

Paul

Trust deed completed Jan 2012,Trustee discharge Nov 2012.
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Kevin Mapstone
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It may only help, Efing. I guess it probably depends how far short you are and what your creditors think.

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(@efing)
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Thanks for your responses...

Paul,
can you give me more details of the company? Does this mean I could borrow the full amount so I could then complete the TD? Do you know of anyone who has successfully done it this way??

Elaine Fingland


   
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TDA (Debt Adviser)
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Hi EFING.

Do you really want to borrow on a secured basis at 18.9%.

Much more expensive for you in the long-run and your home will be at risk if you get into payment difficulty.

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(@plasticdaft)
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I dont think the secured loan thing is a good thing and was just pointing out that some people in ivas are being pushed into taking a 7 year secured loan after a 6 year ica.

That cant be good.

Paul

Trust deed completed Jan 2012,Trustee discharge Nov 2012.
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