firstly, hi to all and secondly, i am not officially an expert on these things but i just want to share my experience with you so that those in a trust deed do not encounter the same problems i have had. I hope it is ok to post this but if any moderators feel any information is misleading or inappropriate then feel free to delete the thread and also be warned it is quite long.
i entered into a trust deed in september 2005 and completed it in september 2008. i received a final discharge letter in november 2009 (yes, it did take this long, however i suppose each one is different so some may be discharged before this). Mostly of what follows was due to lack of information given to me, and i suppose in some part in laziness of actually preparing for life after the trust deed.
Anyway, i was made redundant in March but at the time i was in no rush to find a job due to other circumstances, however, when i did start applying for jobs in August, i realized how many companies perform credit checks as part of the pre-employment vetting process, so on discovering that i had access to credit reports via my bank account (Clydesdale Bank), i decided to check my report. As expected, all the defaults for the accounts in my trust deed were showing defaults but all the dates shown were different for each account, and most of them still showed that i owed money to them.
Upon investigating on how to deal with the matter, I wrote to all the companies concerned in September, explaining that according to the Information Commissioner (for those who do not know, this is the regulatory body for all data protection issues in the UK), their information was incorrect and stating that they had to amend it to show the default dates as when i signed the Trust Deed, and also shown that the balances outstanding were shown as "satisfied" to show i owed no more money, or a complaint would be filed with the Information Commissioner. Most of the companies have since complied and although my credit report wasnt cleared by September 2011 (as defaults expire after 6 years), i succeeded in getting 9 out of 11 default notices removed from my credit report.
If you arent bored yet, this is the important part. A certain financial institution who i cant name just now, to this day (22nd December 2011) have still not complied. I raised complaints with the Information Commissioner and Financial Ombudsman in October, yet the company have still not amended the information as complaints with them can range from 3 months - 6 months before anything is done due to the workload they have, and as the default dates are showing as June 2006 for whatever reason, i will obviously be showing a poor credit history until June 2012 unless the matter is resolved soon. I have no idea if these incorrect default dates are the reason that i have been unsuccessful with some of the jobs i have applied for, but they did state that they do check credit history, so it is a possibility. If i was working, it would obviously affect my chances of gaining credit so it would still affect me to an extent. I am currently taking the financial institution to court to resolve the matter, hence why i shouldnt name them, as they are in breach of the Data Protection Act, and after three months are still technically breaking the law.
That is my long winded story complete, so i would urge anyone in a Trust Deed to follow these steps to ensure that once your six years are finished, you should not have any problems with your credit file.
RECOMMENDED ONLY ONCE YOU HAVE RECEIVED A DISCHARGE LETTER TO SAVE DOING EVERYTHING TWICE
STEP 1
obtain a copy of your credit report, as i said above, Clydesdale Bank offer free unlimited checks through one of their current accounts so some other banks may provide the same service. Otherwise, you can get a copy by writing to the credit reference agencies. I think some of the agencies do free trials online so sign up for that but beware, after the first month they do charge quite a bit so cancel the account once you have your information printed. Contact details and what to put are in the following link on the Information Commissioners website if you do wish to write to them;
(link removed - Google "ICO topic specific guides" to find resource mentioned).
STEP 2
once you have your credit report, make sure all the default dates are showing as the date you signed your Trust Deed, and that the default amounts are all showing "satisfied", "settled", or "partially settled", or any other variation showing that there is no money attached to the default. If they are all showing these correctly, then you are fine. If not, follow the next step;
STEP 3
write to the data controller for each of the companies that are displaying incorrect information and are included as part of your Trust Deed. As these details are not usually displayed on the companies' websites, you can search the Information Commissioner's website at the following link, which is the registry of Data Controller's for every relevant company in the UK,
(link removed - Google "data protection register")
just put the company name in the "name" box and it will give you the correct address and the correct Data Controller, ie some banks have subdivisions so your account may be with one company but its the main bank that handles data.
Even if your debt has been sold on to another company, then it is still the initial company you had the loan/card or whatever, that is responsible for maintaining the information displayed on your credit file.
I used a template letter from the money saving expert forum and adapted it for myself and will put it below for you to use. Just change the relevant information. You will need to include a copy of your discharge letter, and i also included a letter from my Insolvency Practitioner stating that the financial institution was included in the Trust Deed (i had to ask for this as none of the paperwork i had mentioned any company names). template letter below;
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Your Name (aligned right)
Your address(aligned right)
Data Control Officer
Company name
Company address
DATE
Dear Sir/Madam
Re: INSERT ACCOUNT NAME AND NUMBER IF YOU HAVE THEM
After consultation with both the Information Commissioner and the Credit Reference Agencies, I am writing directly to you to request that you formally update my credit files in accordance with the Data Protection Act 1998. According to the Information Commissioner's Data Protection Register, you are listed as Data Controller for INSERT COMPANY NAME HERE.
I signed a trust deed on INSERT DATE OF SIGNING TRUST DEED HERE which became protected and was subsequently discharged on INSERT DATE OF TRUST DEED DISCHARGE HERE, and INSERT COMPANY NAME HERE was included within the Trust Deed. My credit file report has the following information displayed;
INSERT RELEVANT INCORRECT DEFAULT DATES AND AMOUNTS SHOWN IN CREDIT FILE HERE
This information is inaccurate and as such is in breach of Schedule I, Part I, Item 4 of the Data Protection Act 1998, which states that Personal Data shall be accurate and, where necessary, kept up to date.
ÔÇó It is requested that if you intend to default the account, the default entry must be INSERT DATE OF SIGNING TRUST DEED, in accordance with the Information Commissioner's guide to bankruptcy.
ÔÇó It is requested that you mark the accounts with any balance outstanding, in some way as to indicate that it is settled or satisfied, in accordance with the Discharge of my Protected Trust Deed, with which I have included a copy, and in accordance with the Protected Trust Deeds (Scotland) Regulations 2008, which have released me from any obligations to creditors listed within the Trust Deed.
ÔÇó If you have sold the debt on, according to the Information Commissioner, you are still liable to ensure that both you and the new holder are aware and that as the originator of the information it is your responsibility to ensure that it is corrected.
In accordance with Section 10(3)(a) and Section 10(3)(b) of the Data Protection Act 1998, then you are required to provide me with written notice, within twenty-one days, that you intend to amend the incorrect information above, or state your reasons for refusal to do so.
After the twenty-one days have elapsed, the Information Commissioner has requested that I inform them if your company fails to update the records so that they may take any necessary enforcement action against your company.
I have copied the relevant information provided by the Information Commissioner as an attachment to this request.
Yours faithfully
INSERT NAME HERE
The ICO info ÔÇô A guide for the public - Bankruptcy
My bankruptcy has been annulled. I've noticed that an account that was included in my bankruptcy is marked in default later than my bankruptcy. Can I do anything to change it?
Sometimes a lender will not know the exact date you were made bankrupt. This may mean that when the lender registers a default with the credit reference agencies, the date on the default is later than the date on your bankruptcy order.
If a particular debt is included in the bankruptcy, you can write to the lender to ask them to change the date of the default to the date on your bankruptcy order. Remember to send the lender a copy of your bankruptcy order or other documentation which confirms the date you were declared bankrupt.
If the lender refuses to change the date of the default then we may be able to help. You will need to send us:
ÔÇó A copy of the bankruptcy order of document that confirms the date you were made bankrupt; and
ÔÇó A copy of the lender's letter which says it won't change the date of the default.
What happens to defaulted accounts on my credit reference file?
After you have been discharged from your bankruptcy you can send proof of your discharge to all the lenders whose debts were included in your bankruptcy. Those lenders should then mark the entry on your credit reference file to show that you no longer owe money on that account (perhaps by marking the entry as ÔÇÿpartially satisfied' or ÔÇÿpartially settled' or in some other way).
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this should be enough to resolve the matter as most companies should know that they have to amend the information, and as they deal with data everyday, should have a working knowledge of the Data Protection Act 1998.
If however this does not work or they do not reply to your satisfaction then follow the next step.
STEP 4
complain to the Information Commissioner. Just follow the instructions on the following link,
(link removed - Google "ICO complaints")
and they will deal with the matter and fine the company if it deems the breach as serious enough to do so. It does take some time though as i raised a complaint in October and still have not got any further forward. Please note also that if you have been financially affected by the incorrect information, say for example, you have had to take a higher APR on a loan due to the incorrect information in your credit file deeming you as a risk then you can claim compensation for the extra interest you have had to pay. The Information Commissioner can not do this for you, and you will need to go to court to seek damages but you will obviously need to be able to prove this and i would advise seeking proper guidance before thinking about that.
STEP 5
This should only be used once all other steps have been taken, it is the route ive had to go as i am outside the six years, but if you follow the previous steps as soon as you are discharged then you should hopefully have your credit file wiped on the sixth anniversary.
If you do have to go to court then you can do it through small claims, for £15 and gain a decree to force the company to amend the information. Forms and information are included in the scottish courts website, and also details of your local Sheriff Court who you will need to raise the action with. Its very easy to do and you can do it all yourself as it is aimed at people who have no knowledge of the law, so its not as daunting as you may think.
(link removed - Google "Scottish courts small claims")
what you are seeking is "an implement of an obligation" to ensure the company displaying the incorrect information complies with the Data Protection Act 1998.
In the form, you are the "pursuer" and the Data Controller for the company displaying the incorrect information is the "defender".
In the "Statement of claim", you need to state that the company is in breach of Schedule I, Part I, Item 4 of the Data Protection Act 1998 (as mentioned above).
You will need to enter details of the date of your signing of the Trust Deed, who it was with, that the company you are taking to court was included, and details of your discharge. Please note that in the event of the case actually making it to court, you will need to provide copies of all this information to the court on the day of the hearing.
Chances are, the Data Controller's office will not be in your Sheriffdom, as most head offices are in London, so to clear with the court that they have jurisdiction, then you can search the Sheriffdoms of Scotland to find your local court, and include in the statement of claim at the end;
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Although INSERT COMPANY NAME 's registered offices are in INSERT CITY HERE, In accordance with Schedule 8(1)(b) and Schedule 8(3)(b) of the Civil Jurisdiction and Judgements Act 1982, as the pursuer is domiciled in the Sheriffdom of INSERT SHERIFFDOM WHERE YOU LIVE in Scotland, any action raised by the pursuer with regards to any accounts held with INSERT COMPANY NAME fall under the jurisdiction of INSERT LOCAL SHERIFF COURT, with whom the pursuer raising the action.
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all the above means that in the Civil Jurisdiction act, that if its a matter relating to a loan 8(1)(b) then it can be raised at a court local to where the pursuer lives 8(3)(b).
chances are they will fix it before it goes to court as it will cost them a lot of money to send someone to defend the claim and also big companies dont like losing court cases as it goes in a register that affects their credit rating (ironically!), and as long as you have tried to get the issue sorted and provided the company with all the correct information so that they can update their records then the law is on your side.
If you do also want to claim compensation, then i would advise searching for and reading Section 13 of the data protection act and also seeking guidance elsewhere, as i said above, from the CAB or something as this would need to be done as a separate claim, still small claims, but you have to prove exactly why you are claiming compensation and you may not actually successfully gain the full amount unless you have a strong case.
All i will finally suggest, if anyone has made it this far, is get your file cleaned up as you are discharged so you will have no problems once your six years are up, as it is frustrating to say the least that i am having problems over seven years after starting my trust deed and still cant move on with my life. I wouldnt wish these problems on anyone and i hope at least one person will find it helpful.
I made it to the end of the post! All great advice in there however, I think the moderators will remove the links as it's their policy not to keep them.
Glad that's over with....
Did you check your reports with all 3 main credit reference agencies? Some great info on there.
Paul
Trust deed completed Jan 2012,Trustee discharge Nov 2012.
A new dawn.
Just read the lot. very useful information and thank you. I have just cut and paste it all so I can look at it again once my trust deed is finished.
Thanks
Welcome to the trust deed forum kautostar. Thank you for putting in the effort to share all of this information with others on the forum. Also, congratulations on having completed your trust deed.
We are going to remove the external links but I'll try to signpost readers so that they can find the information themselves (these links, over time, tend to stop working when external websites are rearranged which can be frustrating for our future readers).
For most occupations credit checking isn't an important part of an application process. However, we do hear from some people (especially those working in the banking sector) who are worried about job applications and even from time to time that get turned down for this reason. We have also heard from banking employees who are given the jobs after being upfront about a trust deed (or poor credit) before the credit check is done.
We looked into the specific issue of default notices back in October for an article in our news section. You can read it at:
http://www.trust-deed.co.uk/news/defaultnoticesandyourtrustdeed.php
In most respects our research brought us to the same conclusions as you. This included speaking with the Information Commissioners Office.
We do believe that any creditor that has issued a default notice more than a short time after a trust deed has started should backdate it if they are asked to do so.
We do not believe that a creditor has to mark a default notice as being satisfied if they are only partly repaid by a trust deed dividend. The following two paragraphs from our article refer to this:
Some lenders will mark your Default Notices as being ÔÇ£settledÔÇØ or ÔÇ£satisfiedÔÇØ once you have completed your trust deed, however it is important to note that lenders are under no obligation to mark your credit file as settled or satisfied as this might not be considered to be an accurate reflection of the situation, even once the trust deed has been completed. The reason for this is that when you enter into a trust deed lenders often have no option but to accept less than they were owed under the terms of the original agreement.
For this reason it is acceptable for them to mark your credit file as ÔÇ£partially paidÔÇØ or ÔÇ£partially satisfiedÔÇØ, even though no further monies are due towards the debt. This is information about which we have sought the views of the Information Commissioner's Office and reflects their comments to us.
Of course if this is the case, potential employers and lenders in the future will be able to draw the conclusion that the debt hasn't been fully repaid and use that information as they wish.
Readers of this thread should note that this site cannot and does not offer legal advice. Kautostar has offered some suggestions about legal actions which should be taken only as being the view of the author. We advise anyone considering taking legal action should seek advice from a suitably qualified person before doing so.
We have heard from a number of people that when they try to address their credit file after a trust deed most creditors are pretty responsive, but that there sometimes can be one or two that are tardy and need to be pushed. I think it's unusual that you've reached the point of having to take legal action kautostar and I wish you well with it.
Thanks again for sharing all of this information.
@upstream - ive tried editing the post to remove the links but it keeps coming up a server error when i do so i cant remove them.
@plasticdaft - yeah ive checked with all the agencies and its still just the two defaults i have on my file with all of them unfortunately
i'll update the thread once ive heard back from "company X" as they should be receiving their summons today but seeing as its christmas i doubt ill hear back from them until after new year.
@Trust Deed Assistant - the information i included within the letter from the ICO does say about accounts being "partially" satisfied so apologies for not stressing this within the letter.
sorry about the links too but i think you posted and fixed them just as i was typing. Also just had a look at your guide and wish someone had done something like that a year ago and i would have been sorted as its very helpful.
i do make clear that i am not a legal expert and i posted this only based on my experience, but if everyone sorted out these things in plenty of enough time then there is no need to go as far as i do. I wholeheartedly agree with Trust Deed Assistant that any legal action considered should be investigated elsewhere and i posted this step only because the Information Commissioner's information on going to court on their website is based on English Law hence all the terms they use and procedures are different, I meant this only as a guide to interpret this which maybe i should have clarified further.
Hi Trust Deed Assistant.
haha yeah i was just going to change it to "google such and such" so thats ideal. thanks.
When a company marks a debt as partially settled how long does this remain on file? Would it be a full 6 years from when they enter that fact,which could be as just a trust deed is completed meaning your file is mucked up for much longer.
Paul
Trust deed completed Jan 2012,Trustee discharge Nov 2012.
A new dawn.
Hi Paul.
Anything that goes on your credit file stays there for six years.
That's why, if a creditor puts a default notice on your credit record a fair while after a trust deed has started, it's in your interests to get them to backdate it.
Creditors do need to do this where they are asked to.
Marking a default notice as satisfied or part-satisfied isn't a problem. It's the date that the default notice was created that is the issue.
Thanks TDA,I knew about the defaults,and have several and everyone is at least 3 months after the date the TD got protected,just wondered about the effect of a partially settled account.
Give me something to do post trust deed!!
Paul
Trust deed completed Jan 2012,Trustee discharge Nov 2012.
A new dawn.
Amazed you gave up the time it must have taken to share all of that-thanks!
Quick question or 3 for TDA or anyone who knows-what is recorded on credit files when
a)declared bankrupt,
2)after the possible 1 yr in bankruptcy and
3)on completion of the 3 years (assumed) payment arrangeents.
Hi TDA
Does that mean there is no entry to indicate the end of bankruptcy or the 3 yr payments period?