Hey all,
Both myself and my wife are about to embark on a Trust Deed to resolve our runaway debt issue.
Background: About two years ago were managing very well with our debt and in control of our fancies enjoying a good lifestyle. With the arrival of our first child and then a surprise of our second child in less than two years along with a redundancy for myself and reduced ours for my wife our finances started to become dependent on debt and managing credit cards against other cards etc. It has reached braking point for us and we have finally taken the responsible step of looking for the best avenue to resolve our debt issues and get debt free as quickly as possible. The frightening bit is our debts with total in excess of £70k combined.
Where we are: First off a big thank you to YOU all on this site. We have gone through 100's of posts looking for information, advice, things to be aware of etc so that we go into this with our eyes wide open. Using this information we have come to the conclusion that either the DAS or a Protected Trust Deed was going to be the way forward (we live in Scotland so have the option of the DAS). From the research the DAS option we know our home will be safe but it will take much longer to repay. We know the Trust Deed will take a shorter time but the house equity will be accounted for in the debt. We have already had confirmed that the house in the best possible scenario would be break even if we sold it now but in reality it is about 5K short of the current mortgage held on it (negative equity).
Last night we met with the firm we believe will be best for us and had a detailed chat with the advisor on the paths looking at the pros and cons. He agreed with our assessments of the options and agreed that the Trust Deed given the debt and the fact the house has no equity in it will be the best option for us.
We covered off loads with him and this is where I am looking to sanity check what we asked and check if we have anything missing.
House ÔÇô He confirmed the house will not be included and they will issue a letter to us confirming this. So even if the property market was to radically bounce back and the value of the home jumps back dramatically giving us equity they and the creditors will not look to get this value from us.
Wages and Bonus ÔÇô We both get monthly bonuses which fluctuate wildly. They have worked out an average wage for us both based on our last 12 months salaries to give them a monthly figure. If we receive any bonus above this they will look to seek an amount of this typically 50% or less but never more than this percentage. Any windfall bonus payment or other windfall monies will be used either in full or at a much higher % as per the guidelines of a Trust Deed. Salary increases will be reviewed the same as the monthly bonus.
Inheritance- As above any windfall payments will be used towards the Trust Deed. Unless any payments are made to our kids to be held in trust effectively taking them out of consideration. So will changes for pension, death in work or inheritance from our parents are being changed to allow for this during the Trust Deed.
Cars ÔÇô Both are worth less than £3k (we downgraded last year and have repaid monies with the free sale of the cars) and are used to get to and from work in different locations so neither will be included in the process.
Income and expenditure ÔÇô we have provided full values of our debts along with our monthly outgoings for everything which have been taken into account in the repayment calculations.
New bank accounts ÔÇô We have opened new accounts with no lending facilities with Nationwide as neither of us have any links to them at present. Salaries and core DD's etc are being moved across at present.
Debts as the stand ÔÇô We have never missed a payment to any debt (always paid the min payment or more when possible). The advice was to stop paying these now as they are no longer affordable and we are entering into the Trust Deed. With this in mind I have cancelled all DD's and Standing Orders but have not informed the companies of this action. When they start to chase the debt we will advise them the company managing the Trust Deed.
Credit rating ÔÇô We know that for the period of the Trust Deed we will be allowed no lending (over draft etc) and are happy with this (lending is what got us into the mess in the first place). During this time our credit ratings will take a hammering which we are ready for. We can start to build our credit ratings once the Trust Deed has been discharged which can take up to a year once the finally payment is made (although as we have no PPI this should be allot quicker. Around 2/3 months).
Term of the Trust Deed ÔÇô I initially thought it was going to be 3 years which was going to be tight for us. The advisor explained you can change this if we want and do 3.5 years, 4 years etc up to 5 years. Looking at the sums we are planning on doing 40 payments (just over 3 years) which will make it manageable to pay but not extend the term too far. We also understand that if our parents for example (third party) wants to pay into the Trust Deed in the remaining few months only then they can do to help discharge us early.
Savings ÔÇô we appreciate that we should not have savings during the Trust Deed as these will be taken into account at the review.
Reviews ÔÇô we will have yearly reviews but should notify our case manager in advance if any significant changes / difficulties happen during the Trust Deed as (say the car needs a repair) the period can be extended if required. Obviously we want to make sure this doesn't happen but it's good to know.
So this is where we are up to given the information we researched and confirmed by the Trustee last night with regards to our individual Trust Deeds.
So now I turn to you all as I know this is a very important period to confirm everything before entering into the Trust Deed So have I missed anything or is there anything above which is inaccurate..?
Thanks for your input and help all
Colski
Half way already!
colski - Welcome to the forum.
I Hope you get some of the experts' answers soon.
I am not sure you need to have a term longer than 3 years unless your ability to pay enough to cover the minimum is not likely.
Just check if the figures are based on affordability and not extra high fees, otherwise, good job in organising the meeting and putting down all the important bits in writing.
@ RockBottomSolidBase
Thanks for the feedback. The comapny we are going with are actualy one of the recomended firms form this site.
They explained the options on payment and what the figues will be monthly etc. The option of the additonal few months allowed the payemnts to be just that bit more managable monthly (with young kids costs excalating as they get older etc. The additional term doesnt concern me to be honest. All I really want to do is get through this period of time witht he presure off so that when we come out we and in a position where we can enjoy life and our family without worrying about unmanagible debt.
One thing that has occured to me was insurance. Currently we pay these monthly / yearly but will be going monthly during the Trust Deed. Do you declaire being in a Trsut Deed as part of the application to these companies as (from memory) they only ask about bankrupsy and CCJ's.
Half way already!
Hi Colski
Without knowing Inc & Exp and details of creidtors etc in my opinion
it sounds as if the adviser has been thorough and made you aware of everything you need to know.
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Hi
It appears that all important points have been discussed and you have done your homework which is very important. I am almost half way through a 3 year PTD, I couldn't pay for my car insurance on a monthly basis last year but I have read, on this forum, that some people have not had any problems. I was able to pay for my house insurance monthly without a problem. I didn't advise companies that I was in a PTD, they didn't ask!
One thing I have learned is how difficult it is to buy the finer things in life without credit, its almost impossible! I have learned how to budget and I always think twice now before I buy just about anything!
Good luck, the time goes past quicker than you would imagine!
L Campbell
Hi
It appears that all important points have been discussed and you have done your homework which is very important. I am almost half way through a 3 year PTD, I couldn't pay for my car insurance on a monthly basis last year but I have read, on this forum, that some people have not had any problems. I was able to pay for my house insurance monthly without a problem. I didn't advise companies that I was in a PTD, they didn't ask!
One thing I have learned is how difficult it is to buy the finer things in life without credit, its almost impossible! I have learned how to budget and I always think twice now before I buy just about anything!
Good luck, the time goes past quicker than you would imagine!
L Campbell
excelent... right... just waiting on the new bank account opening. Should be able to swap DD's within days and then can start the trust deed...
Half way already!